Go Back   NarkSide Nutrition >
Health & Fitness Discussion
> Muscle-Gaining tips & Workout Questions
Connect with Facebook

Muscle-Gaining tips & Workout Questions Get your workout questions answered here! See and discuss training videos from around the web!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-29-2013
Narkissos's Avatar
Narkissos Narkissos is offline
Owner | Administrator
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 71%
Activity: 71% Activity: 71% Activity: 71%
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Barbados
Posts: 48,182
Real Name: Corey
Rep Power: 718
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Default Contracting the muscle v.s. Just Moving the weights

About 6 minutes in: "Contraction." This is a point I try to get across to my athletes... especially those who are prepping for competition. Actively connecting with musculature, as opposed to just trying to move weights, is essential IMHO.

__________________
___________________
My training journals: 2005; 2006; 2007; 2008; 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, & 2017.
My training Videos? View 'em Here!

Got a question for me? Ask --> Here!

DISGUSTING ass-kicking conditioning workouts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-30-2013
CBGB's Avatar
CBGB CBGB is offline
Jacked Fatty Moderator
Points: 91,068, Level: 100
Points: 91,068, Level: 100 Points: 91,068, Level: 100 Points: 91,068, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 9%
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,261
Real Name: God
Rep Power: 144
CBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant future
CBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant futureCBGB has a brilliant future
Send a message via MSN to CBGB Send a message via Yahoo to CBGB
Default

bump for later.
__________________
What I lack in compassion I make up for with my lack of compassion
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-31-2013
drdankenstein's Avatar
drdankenstein drdankenstein is offline
Jr. Fornicator
Points: 11,409, Level: 73
Points: 11,409, Level: 73 Points: 11,409, Level: 73 Points: 11,409, Level: 73
Level up: 87%, 41 Points needed
Level up: 87% Level up: 87% Level up: 87%
Activity: 6%
Activity: 6% Activity: 6% Activity: 6%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 57
Rep Power: 12
drdankenstein will become famous soon enough
Default

most important thing when it comes to 'weight lifting' if you want size IMO

why do you think arnold meant by the mind muscle connection
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-31-2013
Narkissos's Avatar
Narkissos Narkissos is offline
Owner | Administrator
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 71%
Activity: 71% Activity: 71% Activity: 71%
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Barbados
Posts: 48,182
Real Name: Corey
Rep Power: 718
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drdankenstein View Post
most important thing when it comes to 'weight lifting' if you want size IMO

why do you think arnold meant by the mind muscle connection
Agreed.

A lot of people don't think about it at all however though... and it shows in their development.
__________________
___________________
My training journals: 2005; 2006; 2007; 2008; 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, & 2017.
My training Videos? View 'em Here!

Got a question for me? Ask --> Here!

DISGUSTING ass-kicking conditioning workouts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-31-2013
Johan's Avatar
Johan Johan is offline
The UnderBoss
Points: 653,475, Level: 100
Points: 653,475, Level: 100 Points: 653,475, Level: 100 Points: 653,475, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 3%
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,310
Rep Power: 259
Johan has a brilliant futureJohan has a brilliant future
Johan has a brilliant futureJohan has a brilliant futureJohan has a brilliant future
Default

Its funny how individual the mind muscle connection is. I can scratch my nose and feel my lats engage but no matter what I try I can't zoom in on my hamstrings and have a hell of a hard time focusing on my chest when pressing. Some muscles I was instantly connected to, some took a couple of years and some I never seem able to connect to.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-01-2013
drdankenstein's Avatar
drdankenstein drdankenstein is offline
Jr. Fornicator
Points: 11,409, Level: 73
Points: 11,409, Level: 73 Points: 11,409, Level: 73 Points: 11,409, Level: 73
Level up: 87%, 41 Points needed
Level up: 87% Level up: 87% Level up: 87%
Activity: 6%
Activity: 6% Activity: 6% Activity: 6%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 57
Rep Power: 12
drdankenstein will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johan View Post
Its funny how individual the mind muscle connection is. I can scratch my nose and feel my lats engage but no matter what I try I can't zoom in on my hamstrings and have a hell of a hard time focusing on my chest when pressing. Some muscles I was instantly connected to, some took a couple of years and some I never seem able to connect to.

same problem i have and continue to struggle with. i feel liek time under tension and preexhausts work for this. but this is also the reason i have stopped trying to press unless i have done some type of movement to get blood specifically in pecs. also not extending and locking out, focusing on keeping tension in that particular muscle

it must be with how our bodys are shaped. i can crush my back with easy but struggle with pecs especially inner pecs. would be great to see some suggestions but dont want to distract the main point of this thread!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-02-2013
Narkissos's Avatar
Narkissos Narkissos is offline
Owner | Administrator
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 71%
Activity: 71% Activity: 71% Activity: 71%
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Barbados
Posts: 48,182
Real Name: Corey
Rep Power: 718
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drdankenstein View Post
same problem i have and continue to struggle with. i feel liek time under tension and preexhausts work for this. but this is also the reason i have stopped trying to press unless i have done some type of movement to get blood specifically in pecs. also not extending and locking out, focusing on keeping tension in that particular muscle

it must be with how our bodys are shaped. i can crush my back with easy but struggle with pecs especially inner pecs. would be great to see some suggestions but dont want to distract the main point of this thread!
Distracting is fine my friend.

re: mind/muscle connection... I find a lot of things work, but they work in combination as opposed to one thing or another.

For me it's this: slow negatives, visualization, exaggerated posture, form, and max stretch, training with moderate poundages instead of super heavy ones.

Slow negatives mean more time under tension, and a greater opportunity to fire more fibers of the desired/target musculature (assuming that proper form and posture are used).

Exaggerated posture (e.g. REALLY lifting the chest out, and retracting the scapulae, pretending to pull on the bar with the antagonists while the agonists are resisting its descent) means placing the levers in the most efficient places to engage the target musculature. Exaggerated form (ie perfect form, even when muscular failure has been reached) works in the same vein.

Max stretch with a pause (or, rather, an isometric contraction in the max stretch position) combines two facets. The isometric contraction means more muscle fiber activation, more motor units firing than any other manner of contraction... and utilising a max stretch (i.e. the full range-of-motion [ROM]) means achieving a harder, fuller peak contraction when the movement is reversed.

Training with moderate poundages, as a part of this ensemble, just makes good sense. Weight that allows you 12 reps, you'll probably only get 6 reps from using this protocol.

But they may 6 of the most intense reps of your life.

btw: re: isometric contractions... That's why I really like Iso-contrast training. This is including an isometric contraction during a part of the ROM on every rep.

Example: When I leg curl, 1 rep = [Curl to peak contraction] + [Lower to 90 degrees flexion] + [Hold isometric contraction there for 5-10 seconds] + [Lower to max stretch]

In my humble opinion, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, you won't make a connection with the muscle while using that protocol.

Best of all, it isn't hard on the joints like other proctols.

Win-win

__________________
___________________
My training journals: 2005; 2006; 2007; 2008; 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, & 2017.
My training Videos? View 'em Here!

Got a question for me? Ask --> Here!

DISGUSTING ass-kicking conditioning workouts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-02-2013
Narkissos's Avatar
Narkissos Narkissos is offline
Owner | Administrator
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100 Points: 12,360,232, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 71%
Activity: 71% Activity: 71% Activity: 71%
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Barbados
Posts: 48,182
Real Name: Corey
Rep Power: 718
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Narkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant futureNarkissos has a brilliant future
Default

More on isometrics: http://www.getnarked.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16661
__________________
___________________
My training journals: 2005; 2006; 2007; 2008; 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, & 2017.
My training Videos? View 'em Here!

Got a question for me? Ask --> Here!

DISGUSTING ass-kicking conditioning workouts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-27-2015
mairj23's Avatar
mairj23 mairj23 is offline
Sr. Fornicator
Points: 1,510, Level: 23
Points: 1,510, Level: 23 Points: 1,510, Level: 23 Points: 1,510, Level: 23
Level up: 10%, 90 Points needed
Level up: 10% Level up: 10% Level up: 10%
Activity: 99%
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 124
Rep Power: 22
mairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud ofmairj23 has much to be proud of
Default

I like to contract my muscles when training. If you're just moving weight, try being in a weight lifting competition. Bodybuilding is working the muscle through it's entire movement for a certain result.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Get moving, Bajans told Sol News and Politics Forum 2 07-23-2010 12:59 PM
I hate moving!!!! O-Dog #(*$^#^%*!!! 4 08-28-2008 08:11 PM
get moving motivators.................... Booz General Health, Wellness, & Spirituality Questions 6 03-19-2008 12:47 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2007 - 2012, Apollo Fitness Barbados